The Monster at the End of this Blog

by ragekage, Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:49:47 PM EST

When I was just a lad, my most favorite book in the world was a timeless classic some of you may recognize- as my daughter certainly will, before too long, as it was the first book I ever bought her. (Yes, there's a point here- bear with me)

It's called "The Monster at the End of the Book," and it's a delightfully funny romp. The plot revolves around Grover realizing what the title foreshadows- the fact that there's a monster at the end of the book- and begging, pleading, cajoling you not to turn the page to get to the end of the book. He ties the pages together, nails them together, builds a brick wall- all to no avail, as the story goes on.

In the end, it turns out the monster at the end of the book is Grover- silly him for being so afraid the whole time, right?

Well, this strikes a chord with what I just witnessed in a recent blog, except there's no lovable, furry, old Grover at the end of this story.

We had one of our notable trolls show up and post, as correctly foreshadowed by a few very astute people earlier today, the day's Obama smear talking points. That diary's on the rec list, of course, again propelled by a majority of people who haven't commented on the blog, and came over from Hillaryis44. And the comments section is well on it's way to 200.

But subtract the Obama supporters' comments, and the responses to them, and there's... nine, as I'm writing this.

NINE.

I felt like Grover, trying to keep Obama supporters from feeding the troll the whole time we were in that thread, and contributing a fair number of posts to the total myself.

Remember folks, the diarist is only interested in posting flame bait. Remember the diary from yesterday? The Clinton supporters who actually care have ignored it entirely- I noticed a few threw some TRs out, so they were reading it, certainly, but they knew better than to get involved with it. For good reason.

The diarist is interested in one thing, and one thing only- Senator Clinton. So diaries tend to be filled with gross mischaracterizations, false smears, and the like. You know it. I know it.

Ignore it.

Nothing makes a troll shiver with anger more than being ignored. Nothing. They thrive on attention, and if you deprive them of it, they'll go away.

Please, ignore any and all diaries from this diarist. And the others that only share their sentiments, using source material from places like NoQuarter, Hillaryis44, and sickeningly enough, apparently even Stormfront in one instance. Ignore it. Move on. It's the best weapon you can use against them.

Now, let me set this straight- I've got no more right to demand this behavior than anyone else around here. Seriously, I'm just a guy on a second-rate internet blog sharing his sentiments with you. Do what you will- but please, keep this in mind.

Thank you.




Tags: trolls, just say no, again (all tags)

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Remember what the Doc said, too (2.00 / 16)

If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything.

Also, I think he muttered "Great Scott!" under his breath once.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:51:41 PM EST

I have a important news item (2.00 / 3)

I am diary maxxed until 2 am CST, but the Florida Democratic Party is okay with half delegates.

http://www.ruralvotes.com/thefield


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:58:22 PM EST
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Re: I have a important news item (2.00 / 1)

The author of the email claims that half seating would put the Dems on par with the Republicans in Florida.  The problem there is that John McCain is fully seating the GOP Michigan and Florida delegations.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:12:00 PM EST
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The author of the email is (2.00 / 2)

Karen Thurman who is a pretty big Clinton backer from FL (she's the chair of the FDP).  She is signaling that the race is over.  She isn't going to give credence to a push to the convention in the name of seating all of FL's delegates.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:14:59 PM EST
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Re: The author of the email is (none / 0)

Maybe.  Still, her assertions are based on a misunderstanding of the facts.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:42:32 PM EST
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Let me say this again (2.00 / 1)

The author of the email is the Chair Person of the Florida Democratic Party, if she is unaware of the situation then I truly pity FL democrats.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:55:48 PM EST
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Re: The author of the email is (none / 0)

IT. IS. OVER.

DEAL. WITH. IT.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:56:31 AM EST
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It's just so hard watching the thought processes.. (2.00 / 1)

...of a grown woman who should KNOW BETTER.  It's agonizing.  It's fingernails on the chalkboard agonizing to the point you just want to yell "STOP THAT!"

But I agree, you are right.  

But it's not an easy thing to do.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:20:10 PM EST
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Re: Remember what the Doc said, too (2.00 / 2)

Second rate?  I'm deeply offended, sirrah!  We have only the top shelf trolls here, and some pretty good diarists, too :^)


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:19:35 PM EST
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Re: Remember what the Doc said, too (2.00 / 1)

Just in reference to our traffic standing, of course. We do offer world-rate trolls to make up the difference. :)


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:30:12 PM EST
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Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (2.00 / 3)

ITA.

hey rage, did you read my diary on "Twelve Years in the Wilderness"?  I would really like your take on it.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/29/1032 37/579


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:52:33 PM EST

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (2.00 / 2)

Damn, cole, that was a good diary. Hell, I've been tooling something like that around in my noggin, too. In 2000, McCain was my boy... but he's sure as hell changed.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:57:40 PM EST
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Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

thank you.  I would love your take on McCain and that diary.  Look forward to it.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:04:47 PM EST
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Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:52:42 PM EST

No (none / 0)

Nine comments, but top of the rec list.   The diarist doesn't care about the content of the comments anyway, just the prominent position on the list.

Might as well counter-act the talking points if it is going to be up there anyway.


by libertyleft on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:54:06 PM EST

Re: No (2.00 / 4)

Rage, thanks AGAIN. YOu did a great job of in allergys diary. And thanks for posting about monster. I haven't thought about that book in YEARS.


by venician on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:58:03 PM EST
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Who is hitting the w(rec)k button? (2.00 / 3)

And many of the recommends don't care about the comments, either - they just follow the request for recs from a mailing list... Not saying ALL the recommends come from that list, but a good portion of them don't care about this community, just bumping diaries from their own.


by Virginia Liberal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:51:17 PM EST
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she's got a roving band... (2.00 / 2)

...of rec-bots.

that's why she's getting on the rec list each time.

Doesn't reflect well on this place to have a roving band of ANYTHING.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:25:11 PM EST
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I should clarify... (2.00 / 1)

...when I say rec-bot I don't mean like a sock puppet, but just someone who sits by and waits for HER to come and recs HER diary and nothing else.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:25:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Aw, this is an attack diary (2.00 / 5)

The diarist you refer to isn't a "troll."  It's a very partisan viewpoint but the writer is a human being who clearly feels very strongly about her candidate.  

Attack the message, not the messenger.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:56:34 PM EST

Re: Aw, this is an attack diary (2.00 / 2)

The messenger behaves like a troll and has a fraudulent message.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:08:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Aw, this is an attack diary (2.00 / 3)

Matter of opinion.  A troll isn't someone with an opinion that people disagree with.  A troll spams diaries, insults posters (personally), and uses a lot of profanity.

I think if I went to Dailykos and said, "You know, Hillary Clinton is a pretty cool lady," I would be labeled a troll.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:28:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Aw, this is an attack diary (none / 0)

You know and I know that she is smart enough to understand that she is willfully misreading, misinterpreting, twisting and cherrypicking facts.  She has no care for the truth of the situation and doesn't respond to logical questions.

One of the things that make Blogs different from newspapers is give and take, diarist defending, posters questioning, back and forth conversation.  This is not true at all of Alegre's diaries.  You can see the frustration of people who have honest questions.

I am sorry, but the diaries she posts are not in the spirit of honesty or the give and take of blogdom...she is a troll.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:44:21 PM EST
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Re: Aw, this is an attack diary (none / 0)

The diary was referring to linfar, not Alegre.

Alegre is not a troll either.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:03:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, I thought this diary was about alegre? n/t (2.00 / 1)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:10:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, I thought this diary was about alegre? n/t (none / 0)

The Hillaryis44 issue was what made me think that.  Many people were complaining about H44 people recommending the linfar diaries per a request by linfar on H44.  I never saw comments like that to the same degree as they were all over the two recent linfar diaries.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:13:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, I just assumed (none / 0)

he meant alegre. Now I'm not sure who he was talking about. I'm more inclined to go to alegre's defense than anyone else's.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:19:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, I just assumed (2.00 / 2)

Alegre is definitely not a troll.  I understand linfar was reputed to be harsh before I was reading here, but what I see from her now is not "trolling."  Everyone has an opinion and some are more extreme than others.  

More debate, less censoring.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:44:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Agreed. (2.00 / 1)

Linfar is somtimes too harsh for my taste, but whatever. No one has to read it. It's never even occurred to me to consider alegre a troll. There's too much heartfelt affection in the way she talks about Hillary. Alegre actually strikes me as an excellent person in general. I know she pisses a lot of people off, but I agree with ragekage that they should just ignore her if they don't like what she has to say.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:27:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Agreed. (2.00 / 1)

Agreed.  I think you and I are among the more centrist Hillary supporters here, but I am called a troll or "concern troll" or any of that nonsense very frequently.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:14:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I just ignore 'em when they do that. n/t (2.00 / 1)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:26:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Aw, this is an attack diary (2.00 / 2)

I disagree. Student Guy's great diary recently did a good job describing types of trolls.

The diary-spamming, poster-insulting, profane trolls are one subclass (and the most innocuous at that). Neither concern trolls nor parody trolls do any of those things (or at least the ones who are good at it don't).

Your own (bogus, IMHO) example of trolling meets none of your own criteria. In addition, there are a number of posters still on DK who do support Hillary Clinton and are not labeled trolls; there are even more who are Obama supporters but defend Clinton as being a pretty cool lady, and they're not labeled trolls either.

I would argue that posting fact-lite (not quite fact-free, but close to) diaries with links to right-wing troll sites, whose only purpose is to sew discord and bash a candidate, especially if the diarist is unable or unwilling to defend any of their own points, constitutes a form of trolling. Ignoring known facts as well as copious misbehavior on their own side is another indicator.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:45:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Aw, this is an attack diary (2.00 / 1)

I read the diary by Student Guy and while it was funny, I did raise the criticism that it risks labeling almost anyone in the blogosphere as a "troll."  

Broadening the definition of a troll has the ineveitable effect of encompassing more people, which I don't think is good for healthy debate.  I construe the term more narrowly.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:05:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

DKos=98% Obama, 2% Clinton at best (2.00 / 1)

For someone to say:


...there are a number of posters still on DK who do support Hillary Clinton and are not labeled trolls...

...it tells me they have no sense of objectivity.

Kos is pretty freakin' homogenous, and has been so since January. Polls there generally run about 98% Obama, 2% Clinton, on a good day for Clinton on DKos, too.

As far as the Clinton supporters that are left on DKos, only a handful--perhaps 10 or 15--still make any effort to comment, whatsoever. For those few, they still get major league abuse, as well.

Your comment defies reality!


by bobswern on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:17:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: DKos=98% Obama, 2% Clinton at best (2.00 / 1)

I didn't say it wasn't homogeneous. It is. That's why I tend to read and post far more over here.

But the major-league abuse is reserved for people who bring it on themselves. And, as I said before, there are a number of Obama supporters who will say decent things about Hillary herself, and none of them get major league abuse.

Your comment also defines reality, much more so than mine does.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:03:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: DKos=98% Obama, 2% Clinton at best (2.00 / 4)

Replying to my own post: I have posted several times on DK that I consider Hillary Clinton herself to be a good and honorable person, and that I don't consider her to be a racist or any such thing; while I have issues with her campaign and a number of people associated with it, I do not consider her a bad person or anything of the like.

I've also mentioned that, if things were different, she would've made one heck of a great President.

No one -- no one -- has ever heaped the least bit of abuse on me for saying that on DK. And that's what the original comment was trying to argue -- that one couldn't say positive things about Hillary Clinton on DK without being abused over it. That's simply not the case.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:06:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: DKos=98% Obama, 2% Clinton at best (none / 0)

You are the exception to the rule.


by bobswern on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:41:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You are incorrect. (2.00 / 5)

...as a long time kossak you would not be labeled a troll by saying "You know, Hillary Clinton is a pretty cool lady".

You WOULD be (rightly) labeled a troll by accussuing Obama of promoting hate speech, misogyny, sexism, anti-Americanism, and comparing him to Hitler.

All of which happens here with startling regularity.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:29:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Almost all trolls are human beings. (2.00 / 1)

You didn't think we were referring to fairy tale trolls did you?


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:26:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Warcraft trolls? (2.00 / 1)

I kill two dwarves in the morning, I kill two dwarves at night. I kill two dwarves in the afternoon, it makes me feel alright. I kill two dwarves in time of peace, and two in time of war. I kill two dwarves before I kill two dwarves, and then I kill two more.


by libertyleft on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:42:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Warcraft trolls? (2.00 / 1)

hence my "almost".

;)

Go Hoarde or Go Home!


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:23:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

hey RK (2.00 / 4)

you read my mind,

let us leave the trolls alone as our infighting only helps John McCain.  And do we really want to help John McCain?  I don't want person (John McCain) who filibustered the expansion of SCHIP in the White House.

Recced.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:58:24 PM EST

Thank you, ragekage (1.00 / 2)

Linfar is by far the worst troll on this site right now. Like most people, I can not fathom why she hasn't been banned. She has broken every rule, had complaints, all to no avail. I suggest everyone take your advice, and also to keep an eye on the hidden comment page and email the admins every time she shows up on the page, asking that she be banned. She is the worst thing on this site.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:59:58 PM EST

Re: Thank you, ragekage (none / 0)

Sadly, I mostly agree with you.
'Tis a shame because her diary on wolves was really quite good. Just goes to show that she has the ability to be a positive member of this site....perhaps once we have officially settled on our Democratic candidate she will begin to post other such positive diaries. Till then, though, I agree with your assessment.
by Kysen on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:14:34 PM EST
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Re: Thank you, ragekage (none / 0)

Linfar wrote a positive diary? Whoa. It's too bad I missed it, but I just don't even bother opening her work anymore.


There had better be cheese at the end of this maze...
by LoosCanN on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:29:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank you, ragekage (2.00 / 3)

Linfar the worst troll on this site???

Oh, good job. Now you've gone and made Michael Begala cry.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:33:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wrong (none / 0)

Michael Begela is the worst one :D


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:01:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're baiting (2.00 / 3)

and I'm not biting.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.


by Coldblue on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:00:36 PM EST

I loved that book! (2.00 / 4)


by notme54 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:01:01 PM EST

seriously (2.00 / 1)

I did as well.  My 2nd childhood favorite, other than Where the Wild Things Are.


by semiquaver on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:33:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I loved that book! (2.00 / 1)

Me, too!

Seeing this diary was like a sudden jolt. I haven't thought about this book in years, and now it feels like I just read it yesterday. Thanks for posting it, rage!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:34:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (2.00 / 1)

I prefer the Cookie Monster or Burt & Ernie.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:02:13 PM EST

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

Me too. It's clearly a generational thing.


by LakersFan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:06:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

I prefer The Monster At The End Of This Book. I only know it from reading it to my kids -- it's not part of my own childhood. But it's a great book -- and a great comment on the diaries (I see this as applying to several) in question.

Don't Feed The Trolls.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:22:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (2.00 / 3)

You want to know why you're unable to rate or recommend? Your post tells me exactly why.

1. You're calling out another poster by name. Against the rules.

2. You bug the site administrators with complaints about other users. Not against the rules, but probably not earning you any favors from the people who have the power to restore your rec priveleges.


by LakersFan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:05:46 PM EST

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

Ooops. This was supposed to be a response to awobbly's comment above.


by LakersFan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:07:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

O/T (2.00 / 3)

Go Lakers!


by Coldblue on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:08:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: O/T (2.00 / 2)

The Lakers are always on-topic for me.

I'm predicting an NBA championship as a Father's Day present. (That would be game 5.)


by LakersFan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:17:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I grew up (none / 0)

watching Baylor and West.

Those were the days...except we never beat the Celtics, so I have a dream as you do.


by Coldblue on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:30:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I grew up (none / 0)

sneaks in...looks around...

Piston's fan - remember the bad boys from the late 1980's and early 1990's?

looks around...sneaks out


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:36:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I grew up (none / 0)

You mean the Pistons who only beat the Lakers in the Finals because Magic Johnson and Byron Scott were both injured? (Sorry, it had to be said.)


by LakersFan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:46:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I grew up (none / 0)

I think there were a couple of Pistons who were also injured due to their mosh-pit slamming tactics.

god, I loved that team.  Everyone else HATED them except MI fans.

I was living in LA at the time - I got to gloat :)


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:54:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What are these Pistons (none / 0)

you speak about?

:-)


by Coldblue on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:54:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll do you one better LakersFan... (2.00 / 1)

My friend and I are thinking 3-peat.  When we get Bynum back, I think the Lakers will be unstoppable.  A frontline of Bynum, Gasol and Odom and a backcourt of Fisher (Mr. Clutch-that .4 second shot from 2004 is one of my favorite Laker plays ever) or Farmar and the MYP Mr. Kobe Bryant can't be beat.  And that's not even mentioning our bench of Trevor Ariza, Sacha Vujacic and Ronny Turiaff.  I'm so glad I'm a Lakers fan right now, because it was worth all the heartache of the summer and the past couple of seasons.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:51:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'll do you one better LakersFan... (none / 0)

I like the sound of that.

There's nothing better than being a LakersFan!


by LakersFan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:20:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No there's nothing better than being THE Lakersfan (2.00 / 1)

TTFN


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:55:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: O/T (2.00 / 2)

Double-dipped in Forum Gold here.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:30:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

As Chick Hearn might have said (2.00 / 1)

about the race for the Democratic nomination:

Ladies and gentlemen this ballgame is in the refrigerator,the door is closed, the lights are out ,the eggs are coolin, the butter's gettin hard and the jello's jigglin!

Sure do miss Chickie Baby.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:37:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

When a poster has six hidden comments in a row, with a total of 30 HRs,for spamming a thread with a cut and paste hit job from a right wing smear site, I will bring it to their attention. I certainly wasn't the only one. How about statements like this?

I find it shocking that no one cares that Obama told a tall tale about Auschwitz to an audience of Jews. It is not ok to then come back the next day and say well, uh, maybe it was a subcamp of another place. This is so much like Bush it freaks me out and you guys are just on a trip just like the bushy supporters were. These slips are revealing of the guy underneath all the hype. How many states again? the Great Lakes are where? Oh yeah, it was a different camp.Ok. so the Russians liberated Aushwitz. What they hey? he doesn't even bother to say he's tired, because just like Bush no one is going to call him on it.

Troll comment by a troll who has a long , long history of lies, smears and rating abuse and is a frequent contributor to the hidden comment page. Sounds ban worthy  to me.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:18:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

Without addressing the meat of your comment --

When commenting like this, you really should put the comment in blockquote tags (blockquote and /blockquote, in angle-brackets). A reference to the original comment is also worthy.

It initially read as if those were your words, in the middle paragraph, and needless to say I don't think that was your intent.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:32:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

I understand that it sounds ban-worthy to you. I was just pointing out why you probably don't have rec privileges. You can argue the point with me, but I didn't take your privileges away and I don't have the ability to them back to you. If you really care about your rec privileges, maybe you should just take this as "friendly advice".


by LakersFan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:40:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

NO ONE IS PERFECT. (none / 0)

and I am sorry if you feel that every single slip of the tongue is somehow indicative of a deep psychological disorder. But the rest of us realize that's just part of being HUMAN.

Honestly, is there anything Obama could possibly do or say to cause you to rethink your judgement of him?  I suspect not.  You just don't like him.  And you're entitled to.  It's still a free country.  But stop spewing out these ridiculously twisted justifications for your hatred and come out and say it: "I hate Obama and I don't have to justify it".

I'd respect you guys a lot more if you just came out and said it instead of trying to invent justifications to get everyone ELSE to hate him so you can feel okay with it.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:41:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NO ONE IS PERFECT. (none / 0)

awobbly was quoting linfar in the middle paragraph. (perfect example of why blockquoting should be used...to prevent such misunderstandings)


by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:05:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

Heh, loved that book myself.  :)

As to the rest of your diary....I am ever so curious as to what the most divisive Hillary diarists will do if/when she bows (gracefully or otherwise) out of the race.

Will they disappear?

Will they attempt to continue their bashing of Obama?

Will they pull a 180 and throw their support behind Obama and start bashing McCain?

Enquiring minds soon shall know.

Till then, I'll do my damnedest to ignore their flinging of poo. (I just keep telling myself that this too shall soon pass)


by Kysen on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:11:25 PM EST

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (2.00 / 5)

I am hoping the poo-flinging from both sides stop.

I am supporting the Democratic nominee, whom I believe will be Obama.  However, it still hurts and saddens me to see the hate towards Hillary, whom I respect and admire.

I hope we can all come to a place where, although we may not agree on everything, we can all agree that both Senators deserve respect and admiration.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:13:37 PM EST
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Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (2.00 / 1)

I can agree with that.
Good on ya.
by Kysen on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:16:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

honestly... (none / 0)

...what they will do interests me far less than what Jerome will do.

Will he continue to enable it or will he put a stop to it?   THAT is what interests me most.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:43:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

To my fellow Obama supporters (2.00 / 2)

I have just thought of a better counter protest than ignoring any trollish diary.  When the most powerful troll makes an appearance, we can all post diaries we have ready made to make the trollish diary sink off the list.  We can make it sink and there would be no reason for people to complain.  We could all write anti-McCain hit pieces and that way we would be doing a good thing.

This would also send a signal that it is over and in a very dramatic fashion.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:19:09 PM EST

I'll post a diary tommorow afternoon where we (2.00 / 1)

can pick topics, there are so many to choose from, and that way we won't get repeats.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:25:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'll post a diary tommorow afternoon where we (none / 0)

The most likely counter diary will be to the breathless account of saving the rights of voters, woman and ponies because of the march on the Rules Committee.  I am sure there will be footage in the troll's diary of her multiple attempts to accost a news reporter.

I'm hoping the Rules Committee will be sane.


by gchaucer2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:55:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Florida Democratic Party (none / 0)

is okay with half delegates.  Read about it at TheField

http://www.ruralvotes.com/thefield


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:57:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To my fellow Obama supporters (none / 0)

That would be more destructive to the rec list than a single diary.  A lot of valid material would be the casualties of a petty rec-list war.


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:09:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Perhaps you hadn't noticed (2.00 / 3)

but a rec-list war has been going on for a while.  Albeit a bit one-sided as one side consistently calls in reinforcements.


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:34:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You know... (2.00 / 2)

...at daily kos they post recipes in troll diaries.

It's not very original, but maybe we can post poems or song lyrics or segments from literature or complext mathematical equations in troll diaries?

Just smother the noise with other noise.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:44:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is not DKos! (none / 0)

That's not a place we want to emulate here.

We don't go around like the frenzied crowd in an old Frankenstein movie, marching through the brick-paved streets with kerosene torches in our hands.

We don't conspire to undermine other's diaries.

If a select few want to be assholes, that's their problem, because they won't be long for this place.


by bobswern on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:28:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ummm.... (none / 0)

....I didn't suggest the kerosene or marching.

I just want to share a few poems.  If someone's going to write a stupid diary I'd at least like to put something NICE in it.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:33:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A pro-Clinton diary is not stupid. (2.00 / 1)

By definition, that's what people in the comments of this diary are saying.

--'only Clinton supporters are trolls'

--'ignore Clinton supporters' diaries'

--'time "our" diaries to post the same time certain Clinton supporters post their diaires' (last time I checked, that's called conspiring to undermine discourse)

...and on and on and on...

...which would make this place fairly similar to DKos.

It's funny to read--from a bunch of people that regularly post on DKos who are now commenting in this blog about ways in which they'd like to conspire to play head games here and otherwise disrupt this place--them asking/wondering why 'people here spend so much time talking about DKos.'

There's more mention here in this diary about DKos and "those trolls" (that all happen to be Clinton supporters according to statements in this comment thread) than on the top 50 other diaries currently posted on this site!

Oh, and one more thing...there's more Clinton-hate on DKos in an hour's worth of diaries there than you'll see similar rants about Obama here on MyDD in any given week.


by bobswern on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:10:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

again, please do not speak for me. (2.00 / 1)

I never said or implied that pro-clinton diaries were stupid

However many of the worst anti-obama dairies ARE stupid.

No one is saying that ONLY CLinton supporters are trolls.  But those that are are the ONLY ones who seem to be actively embraced by the myDD establishment.  Obama supporter trolls get banned or lose their ability to rate.  Clinton supporter trolls get recced and have a blind eye turned on them.

You have to admit that can generate a bit of resentment, can you not?

I would LOVE to read a diary that was just honestly pro Clinton.  But it seems a very rare thing to be honestly Pro-Clinton, without by extension trashing Obama (often through the application of misrepresentations and distortions) or denegrating his supporters.  

an HONEST pro-Clinton diary would be a real treat by comparison.  I remember months ago reading a diary from a woman who just wrote about why she supported Clinton and what that meant to her.  Didn't say anything about Obama at all.  Didn't call anyone names.  Didn't denegrate anyone's intellegence.

It was wonderful and I loved it.


by DawnG on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:59:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A pro-Clinton diary is not stupid. (none / 0)

Pro-Clinton posters are not necessarily trolls.
Trolls are not necessarily pro-Clinton.
Pro-Clinton trolls are necessarily pro-Clinton trolls.

See?


by Geiiga on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:33:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I almost wrote a diary like this tonight. (2.00 / 2)

There are several protected trolls on MyDD. None of them will have a reason to exist after Clinton concedes. Ignore them. They'll be gone soon enough.

The nominee of the Democratic party will be Barack Obama, no matter how discordant the chorus of cynics grows.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:30:01 PM EST

Your assumption is ass backwards. (2.00 / 1)

Your assumption is that all trolls are Clinton supporters.

In fact, your very presence here is verification that your assumption is incorrect.

This isn't DKos. We don't seek homogeneity in terms of candidate preference, at least not until the Convention.

At the moment, one of the blog's goals is for Clinton supporters to engage in reasonable discourse with Obama supporters.

The antithesis of that is: "all trolls are Clinton supporters."

That makes the commenter to whom I'm responding a troll, by definition. (See mention on "reasonable discourse," a few sentences above.)


by bobswern on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:33:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your assumption is ass backwards. (none / 0)

You keep using the word "All" when no one else is.

The poster said, "There are several protected trolls on MyDD"

"several" and you respond

"Your assumption is that all trolls are Clinton supporters."
"all"
Why do you do that? Why do you put the word "all" in someone's mouth when they say "several," & then attack them for saying "all?"
 


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:24:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What a great point! Maybe not a troll, but... (1.00 / 1)

you're so right. These diarist thrive on attention just like trolls if they're not one, so why not just make a personal list of diarists who, as an Obama supporter, I won't ever respond to. DO NOT PUBLISH YOUR PERSONAL LIST! This will almost certainly bring the wrath of the blog demon. But I'll bet if we were all to make a list of our top 3 to 5 incendiary bloggers, that our lists would overlap a WHOLE lot.

So we just don't every post in diaries by people on our personal list, or respond to comments by them in any other diary. In effect, we ban them from communicating with Obama supporters on this blog. What do you think?

Thank you for seeding this idea in my head! Marvelous!


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:38:37 PM EST

Sorry for the typos in my post. Rec this diary! (2.00 / 1)


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:40:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Monster at the End of this Blog (none / 0)

Wonderful blog and so true.

Frankly, I am honestly worried about what will happen to TaylorMarsh.com and TalkLeft after Hillary leaves. The venom there (particuarly at Marsh's site) is disgusting.


by MJJLWolf on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:42:44 PM EST

Rules and regulations (2.00 / 2)

Please, ignore any and all diaries from this diarist. And the others that only share their sentiments, using source material from places like NoQuarter, Hillaryis44, and sickeningly enough, apparently even Stormfront in one instance. Ignore it. Move on. It's the best weapon you can use against them.
Are you the administrator of this site? Also, you said "move on," is that an unusable source too?


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:44:12 PM EST

Re: Rules and regulations (2.00 / 7)

Clearly there is no functional administrator on this site, otherwise there wouldn't be a free pass for so many hate-filled, deceitful diaries such as the one addressed herein.


by gchaucer2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:56:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rules and regulations (2.00 / 3)

IMO, Mydd does a much better job than DKos.


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:58:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rules and regulations (2.00 / 2)

Also, approx. 50% of the "recommended diaries" are pro-Obama diaries. Can you say the same about DKos when it comes to Pro-Clinton diaries?


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:01:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rules and regulations (2.00 / 4)

How would you know what goes on at DKos?  I thought you all were on strike and relentlessly remind everyone that you never go there.


by gchaucer2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:05:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rules and regulations (2.00 / 1)

I left months ago. One reason why I left was the fact that there were no "Pro-Clinton recommended diaries." When I question this, here's the response I'd received..."If you don't like it leave; don't let the door hit you on the way out"

So I left.


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:16:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rules and regulations (none / 0)

Then you got a stupid response from a stupid person.  When there were still Clinton diarists at DKos, I would read and defend them.  I know it got difficult for Clinton supporters -- and, I, for one, thing that is a loss to the site.  There were anti-Clinton diaries that I will trash when they are over the top, including one today which focused on her clothes.  I hate that stupid bullshit.  

So, if you were driven away, I'm sorry to hear that.


by gchaucer2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:19:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rules and regulations (none / 0)

Also, approx. 50% of the "recommended diaries" are pro-Clinton diaries. Can you say the same about H44 when it comes to Pro-Obama diaries?


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:10:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh :D (none / 0)

Also, approx. 50% of the "recommended diaries" are pro-Clinton diaries.

Well, of course there is. 50% Pro-Obama plus 50% Pro-Clinton = 100%

In reference to H44...I don't go there, I wouldn't know.


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:21:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

what is the Dkos obsession (2.00 / 1)

respectfully, why is it that every time someone says  something about MyDD, someone responds "what about Daily Kos?"  Why is an unrelated blog germane to this one?


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:15:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what is the Dkos obsession (2.00 / 1)

because it's a good comparison since many bloggers are familiar with both sites....especially since many bloggers left DKos to come here.


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:18:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what is the Dkos obsession (none / 0)

comparison for what purpose?  MyDD is its own thing.  Daily Kos is its own thing.  

Daily Kos has a pro-Obama slant.  I don't think anyone can deny this.  Does that mean that MyDD should have a pro-Clinton slant?


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:27:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what is the Dkos obsession (2.00 / 1)

Well if one is going to judge the site as being unfair, they better have a good explanation or it just sounds like sour grapes to the rest of us. I say Mydd is fair and the comparison was to prove my point. It's my opinion/experience, ignore it if you like.


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:33:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

how about this? (none / 0)

DKos is unfair.  MyDD shouldn't be like DKos with Obama replaced by Clinton.


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:36:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: how about this? (none / 0)

Also, approx. 50% of the "recommended diaries" are pro-Clinton diaries.
Who said that?

Like I said before; Approx. 50% of the recommended diaries are pro-Obama. That's fair. No site is perfect but, IMO Mydd does a pretty good job. They've even tried to settle disputes through diaries.


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:40:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

careless mistake (none / 0)

I meant to paste and address this issue;

MyDD shouldn't be like DKos with Obama replaced by Clinton
Who said that "Obama replaced by Clinton?"


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:43:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nobody (none / 0)

I thought your point with "can you say the same about Daily Kos" could be paraphrased as "you have no standing to complain about bias at MyDD when there is bias at DKos."

We've ranged a bit far afield, but the comment you were replying to was not complaining about the number of diaries, but their content.  If the admins allow ridiculous hit pieces on Obama, it doesn't rebut that complaint to point out that DKos is an Obama echo chamber.


by JJE on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:48:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nobody (none / 0)

I've seen anti-Obama diaries that are way out there removed. What are you basing your complaint on? Personal experience? I guess it's difficult for me to see it. At least the administrator isn't saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out."


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:57:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rules and regulations (none / 0)

I find this highly amusing given what the diary said directly below those comments. Nice try, though. I give you a C+ for effort. ;)


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:58:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree with your overall point (2.00 / 3)

about ignoring it. Perhaps you've noticed that I don't really read or comment on those diaries anymore. I sometimes fish through the hide bin to save comments which were unfairly HR'd in her threads, but that's about it.

I don't consider her a troll, though. I think she genuinely loves Hillary, and I understand that. I don't always agree with the way she decides to support her, but then again, I'm not always happy with the way I've chosen to support her. So I won't call her a troll. I believe she's a good Democrat, really.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:00:03 PM EST

I may be confused... (2.00 / 2)

I was under the impression that your diary is about alegre, who is the person I was defending. If you were referring to the other person I had in mind... well, no comment on that one.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:12:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I may be confused... (2.00 / 1)

I was referring to both, but Alegre in particular on that point. There's no doubt she loves Clinton- she's not a GOP troll, for instance- but you love Clinton and don't delve into the realm of intellectual dishonesty I've seen her inhabit, nor have the majority of the Clinton supporters round here. I've never seen you skip out on honest debate, for instance.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:28:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]